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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the vertical arms easier than the horizontal arms.  I am doing them slowly because right now, they are kicking my ass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the vertical arms easier than the horizontal arms.  I am doing them slowly because right now, they are kicking my ass!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Normand</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Normand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I did Shiva Nata again this morning.  My intention was to figure out the epiphanies thing (and one other intention), which is honestly the main reason I bought the thing.

I wanted to experiment.  I decided to do it as fast as possible, trying to keep up the tempo regardless of how many mistakes I made.  I did level one arms and legs.  Twice.  Then I did just arms seriously fast.

I made tons of mistakes.  Then I sat for meditation, and it hit me.  Shiva is about creative destruction.  By doing it slowly, I was only creating new habits.  But by doing it quickly, I was noticing all of my old habits, some of which were destroyed.  They made room for noticing all kinds of patterns in the arms, which I then started using to do it better.

Epiphanies!  It&#039;s like in life.  It&#039;s boring if you&#039;re not making mistakes.  You should aim to make as many mistakes as possible.  Very applicable all over the place.

Thanks Havi!!!!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eric Normands last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.zenpress.net/chocolate-66&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I did Shiva Nata again this morning.  My intention was to figure out the epiphanies thing (and one other intention), which is honestly the main reason I bought the thing.</p>
<p>I wanted to experiment.  I decided to do it as fast as possible, trying to keep up the tempo regardless of how many mistakes I made.  I did level one arms and legs.  Twice.  Then I did just arms seriously fast.</p>
<p>I made tons of mistakes.  Then I sat for meditation, and it hit me.  Shiva is about creative destruction.  By doing it slowly, I was only creating new habits.  But by doing it quickly, I was noticing all of my old habits, some of which were destroyed.  They made room for noticing all kinds of patterns in the arms, which I then started using to do it better.</p>
<p>Epiphanies!  It&#8217;s like in life.  It&#8217;s boring if you&#8217;re not making mistakes.  You should aim to make as many mistakes as possible.  Very applicable all over the place.</p>
<p>Thanks Havi!!!!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Eric Normands last blog post..<a href="http://blog.zenpress.net/chocolate-66" rel="nofollow">Chocolate</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Normand</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Normand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 05:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Havi!

I&#039;ve been doing the lessons from the video and working without out it. I had a bunch of epiphanies at first, but they are slowing down.  Sounds typical of what you say happens when it&#039;s too easy.

I still need a little clarification about what you mean by &quot;doing it wrong&quot;.  I can do the horizontals and verticals on slow mode with Andrey, or I can do them decently quickly on my own.  But when I try to do them with Andrey on the fast mode, it&#039;s like I&#039;m trying to swat a bunch of bees that just got really pissed off.  That is to say that I&#039;m not doing the movements correctly.  It&#039;s still really fun and challenging, but I&#039;ve got this feeling that I&#039;ve developed from my Kung Fu practice that tells me that I should slow down, practice without the video, and come back to the fast video mode when I can do it a little faster.

What I want to know is this: what does your experience tell you about the best way to have epiphanies?  Is it the personal practice, where you are alone, counting the numbers, or the follow-along-with-Andrey method, which kind of feels like cheating since you don&#039;t really have to know where you are.

Should I do it fast and sloppy (which you seem to be implying) or focus on getting it right, making a few mistakes here and there (which my martial arts experience is telling me).

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eric Normands last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.zenpress.net/chocolate-66&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Havi!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing the lessons from the video and working without out it. I had a bunch of epiphanies at first, but they are slowing down.  Sounds typical of what you say happens when it&#8217;s too easy.</p>
<p>I still need a little clarification about what you mean by &#8220;doing it wrong&#8221;.  I can do the horizontals and verticals on slow mode with Andrey, or I can do them decently quickly on my own.  But when I try to do them with Andrey on the fast mode, it&#8217;s like I&#8217;m trying to swat a bunch of bees that just got really pissed off.  That is to say that I&#8217;m not doing the movements correctly.  It&#8217;s still really fun and challenging, but I&#8217;ve got this feeling that I&#8217;ve developed from my Kung Fu practice that tells me that I should slow down, practice without the video, and come back to the fast video mode when I can do it a little faster.</p>
<p>What I want to know is this: what does your experience tell you about the best way to have epiphanies?  Is it the personal practice, where you are alone, counting the numbers, or the follow-along-with-Andrey method, which kind of feels like cheating since you don&#8217;t really have to know where you are.</p>
<p>Should I do it fast and sloppy (which you seem to be implying) or focus on getting it right, making a few mistakes here and there (which my martial arts experience is telling me).</p>
<p><abbr><em>Eric Normands last blog post..<a href="http://blog.zenpress.net/chocolate-66" rel="nofollow">Chocolate</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I can do uncoordinated.  That&#039;s my specialty.  I have years of being asked to leave dance and gymnastics classes to prove it.

What about balance and vertigo?  I&#039;ve had trouble with yoga in the past, because I have weird low blood pressure and some changes of pose trigger a drop, and inversions are particularly a problem.  Does Shiva Nata have a lot of inversions or altitude changes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I can do uncoordinated.  That&#8217;s my specialty.  I have years of being asked to leave dance and gymnastics classes to prove it.</p>
<p>What about balance and vertigo?  I&#8217;ve had trouble with yoga in the past, because I have weird low blood pressure and some changes of pose trigger a drop, and inversions are particularly a problem.  Does Shiva Nata have a lot of inversions or altitude changes?</p>
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		<title>By: Tatty Franey</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatty Franey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have been a dancer all my life and WOW
i&#039;m still on the most basic level one ever (like, the SLOW level 1 in the DVD, and only plain horizontals and verticals) and my butt is being totally kicked.
and today i had a muscular epiphany - does that even exist or did i just invent it? anyway, it was just amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have been a dancer all my life and WOW<br />
i&#8217;m still on the most basic level one ever (like, the SLOW level 1 in the DVD, and only plain horizontals and verticals) and my butt is being totally kicked.<br />
and today i had a muscular epiphany &#8211; does that even exist or did i just invent it? anyway, it was just amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: Molly Gordon</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havi, glad to know I possess one of the pre-requisites for getting the most kisses per cookies from this practice. 

On a related (in my brain) note: is it time to move when when I can do the movements while watching Andrey or when I can do them on my own?

I can struggle through Level 1 horizontal arms s-l-o-w, and am learning Level 1 verticals. I spend a few days attempting to do the entire horizontal sequence without prompting, then go back to the DVD for a day.

In short, with the DVD, I&#039;m about 80% there; without it, I&#039;m about 50% there.

I mix in some level one verticals for about 1/3 of my practice time.

Dear, dear Havi, am I doing it wrong enough? Right enough? Just-right?

xox

Molly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havi, glad to know I possess one of the pre-requisites for getting the most kisses per cookies from this practice. </p>
<p>On a related (in my brain) note: is it time to move when when I can do the movements while watching Andrey or when I can do them on my own?</p>
<p>I can struggle through Level 1 horizontal arms s-l-o-w, and am learning Level 1 verticals. I spend a few days attempting to do the entire horizontal sequence without prompting, then go back to the DVD for a day.</p>
<p>In short, with the DVD, I&#8217;m about 80% there; without it, I&#8217;m about 50% there.</p>
<p>I mix in some level one verticals for about 1/3 of my practice time.</p>
<p>Dear, dear Havi, am I doing it wrong enough? Right enough? Just-right?</p>
<p>xox</p>
<p>Molly</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuelle Archer</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuelle Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh... are you ladies cooking up (tee hee) a Bikram Shiva Nata spinoff? ;)

As for coordination... I thought that having some experience with bellydancing and knowing how to isolate various parts of my body would help. In hindsight, my only comment is &quot;yeah, right&quot;, although &quot;Pfft!&quot; might be appropriate too. 

Even in my bumbling, flailing-around stage, I do have to say that the movements are strangely beautiful though. Most importantly, they *feel* right and the insights are coming fast and furious. What more could a fledgling Shivanaut want? 

Joyfully yours, 
Emmanuelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh&#8230; are you ladies cooking up (tee hee) a Bikram Shiva Nata spinoff? ;)</p>
<p>As for coordination&#8230; I thought that having some experience with bellydancing and knowing how to isolate various parts of my body would help. In hindsight, my only comment is &#8220;yeah, right&#8221;, although &#8220;Pfft!&#8221; might be appropriate too. </p>
<p>Even in my bumbling, flailing-around stage, I do have to say that the movements are strangely beautiful though. Most importantly, they *feel* right and the insights are coming fast and furious. What more could a fledgling Shivanaut want? </p>
<p>Joyfully yours,<br />
Emmanuelle</p>
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		<title>By: carma</title>
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		<dc:creator>carma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havi-
Thanks for answering my question!  I am going to &quot;revel&quot; in my uncoordinated state from this point forward!  I&#039;ve had enough uncomfortable situations over the years where I was required to exhibit some modicum of coordination - i.e. step aerobics, learning to juggle, dancing, a few kung fu classes, all ending in abject failure. 

I have a very difficult time following along if someone is facing me and I need to mirror what they are doing.  

If grace and coordination are not pre-reqs, this will be right up my alley :D

...and if &quot;hot buttered epiphanies&quot; come my way as a result of my uncoordination, well that will be positively life altering!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;carmas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://carmasez.blogspot.com/2009/02/husband-deflates-further.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Husband DEFLATES further&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havi-<br />
Thanks for answering my question!  I am going to &#8220;revel&#8221; in my uncoordinated state from this point forward!  I&#8217;ve had enough uncomfortable situations over the years where I was required to exhibit some modicum of coordination &#8211; i.e. step aerobics, learning to juggle, dancing, a few kung fu classes, all ending in abject failure. </p>
<p>I have a very difficult time following along if someone is facing me and I need to mirror what they are doing.  </p>
<p>If grace and coordination are not pre-reqs, this will be right up my alley :D</p>
<p>&#8230;and if &#8220;hot buttered epiphanies&#8221; come my way as a result of my uncoordination, well that will be positively life altering!</p>
<p><abbr><em>carmas last blog post..<a href="http://carmasez.blogspot.com/2009/02/husband-deflates-further.html" rel="nofollow">Husband DEFLATES further</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Havi</title>
		<link>http://shivanata.com/blog/ask/forget-coordination/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Havi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://fluentself.com/images/blog/ducks/Selma_tinyB.png&quot;&gt; Ohmygod! Nina, you are a genius! Recipe book! 

*dances around excitedly*

Yeah, we might have to experiment with the temperature ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://fluentself.com/images/blog/ducks/Selma_tinyB.png"/> Ohmygod! Nina, you are a genius! Recipe book! </p>
<p>*dances around excitedly*</p>
<p>Yeah, we might have to experiment with the temperature &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The oven door, if you will, to those hot buttered epiphanies.&quot;

Oven door ...

So, what ... 350°?

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The oven door, if you will, to those hot buttered epiphanies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oven door &#8230;</p>
<p>So, what &#8230; 350°?</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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