Shiva Nata: the Dance of Shiva

Shiva Nata is brain training that kind of looks like martial arts, and acts like drugs-that-make-you-smart-and-hot.
It uses movement patterns to generate new neural connections and huge understandings that let you rewrite your patterns.
Sometimes we hate it for being so damn hard – but we get over that because Shiva Nata makes us graceful, coordinated and awesome. And because of the hot, buttered epiphanies.

Finding the challenge (part 1.5)

Because sometimes something comes up before you’re ready to roll with part 2 …

This comment on the last post (part 1) is from Jennifer Louden who is just completely awesome and has been on Oprah and I love her madly and you should all be reading her books or taking her classes and just thinking about her results in my writing ridiculous run-on sentences.

Also she invited me to be the official Dance of Shiva genius slash scholar-in-residence sort of thing at her Writer’s Retreat Spa thing this summer in Taos, New Mexico so if you’re a woman and you write … transformative freaking experience is all I’m saying.

Anyway, Jen does Dance of Shiva too. And …

Well, I’ll let her explain what’s going on:

Okay, here’s what I’m not getting AND I SWEAR I’M READING ALL THE STUFF and watching the theory part (twice) and all that but AFTER MONTHS I STILL can’t do the all the combos of arms not even close or legs fast but I can do them slow.

So I think, “Do I keep going back and trying to learn just the arms until I can do them right going fast and without the video?” “Yes!” “But no, then I won’t be confusing my brain because I can tell I’m getting bored.” So I do legs and arms or vertical arms fast and I can’t do it AT ALL and so I go back and try learning the basics again and now I’m the guy in your question although still practicing…

I’m doing it without sound, counting, not counting, doing basic arms on my own without the video here and there throughout the day, can’t do it with eyes closed but have tried. I’m so not getting any of it yet still getting that flat feeling SO do I just leap ahead even though I haven’t mastered the first parts? (I can do the very basic four part horizontal and vertical arms)

I really don’t mind getting it wrong because I’ve always been a physical dolt. And I like to skip ahead. But is that okay when i can’t do all the arm combos, not even close?

I’m so confused!

And exhale ………

First of all, everyone send Jen a mental hug because yuck! Feeling frustrated and stuck and not knowing what to do is no fun. No fun at all.

Next step is just breathe breathe breathe because I happen to have a LOT of opinions about this.

And enough experience that everyone including famous people like Jennifer Louden and including pretty much everyone in the world except for Andrey Lappa has to listen to me, like it or not.

Things you need to know that you don’t know. Yet.

1. You’re not supposed to be able to combine arms and legs yet.
After just a couple months? That’s crazy talk.

Combining arms and legs is incredibly difficult. It took me six months to combine them. And I was unemployed. It’s not like I had anything else to do.

There are two exceptions to this rule. If you are a professional dancer/choreographer like the ones I used to regularly beat up lead trainings for in Berlin, then yeah, you should be able to pick it up in a couple of weeks of hard work.

Or if you are James Bartley aka the dancing geek, and fabulously dedicated and have been dancing for your entire life.

Otherwise you should really not be able to combine yet. That would be absurd.

2. Use intermediary levels.

You’re already doing this a bit by doing without sound, but there are really all sorts of ways you can create mini in-between levels.

  • Do level 1 horizontal and vertical arms fast and just do it completely wrong and practice being okay with doing it completely wrong.
  • Do level 1 H & V arms slow and alternate between having the arms be very loose and soft and flowing … and then very hard and precise.
  • Do level 1 H & V arms slow but count the numbers aloud along with Andrey as you do it. Or at least try to guess the next numbers.
  • Do level 1 H & V arms slow without sound and with music. Then fast to music.
  • Do level 1 H & V arms slow without sound and count your breath. For example exhale exhale inhale inhale. Commit to a rhythm to get focus.

3. Change your focus.
Spend a week or two just working on connections and transquarters.

Or do a little Level 2 to mix it up.

Actually I would suggest doing Level 2 transquarters and then going back to Level 1. Now THAT will mess with your head. *cackles gleefully*

4. Who said you have to do everything in order?
You don’t. Skip ahead if you like. Just make sure that you come back to stuff later.

5. Ask yourself what the pattern is.
Dance of Shiva always brings up and works on life patterns that are keeping us stuck. So anytime we get especially stuck in the practice, it’s usually a reflection of stuff that’s going on in real life.

The question then becomes:

Is your pattern one of losing patience with things that don’t show results right away?

Or maybe your pattern is about expecting that you won’t be able to do what other people can do.

Or maybe your pattern is about rebellion and struggle.

Once you know what pattern you’re working on (or might be working on), you can make smart decisions.

There’s basically two ways you can take it.

Either ….

To flow with your pattern but still bring conscious awareness to it. You might even create an intention before your practice to receive some insights from the dance around this particular pattern.

Or …

To play with your pattern by doing the opposite of what you normally would. Surprise yourself. Take another path. Ask yourself what would be the thing you’d never do in this situation and then see what that would be like.

Because when it comes to Dance of Shiva, you have to do it wrong. But when it comes to learning how to love yourself, you can’t do it wrong.

Does that make sense? What do you think?

Love, love, love,
Havi & Selma

9 Comments on “Finding the challenge (part 1.5)”


  1. [...] one is of me doing the level 1 horizontal arms, but with a twist!  Totally unedited, so you get to watch me struggle and gurn and even jump when I get interrupted [...]


  2. yay and hugs for Jen for asking the question! And yay for Havi for great answers – because I am so totally in the same spot as Jen and its a relief to know that’s right where I am supposed to be!

    Evelines last blog post..We interrupt this month……


  3. Hey Havi, big hugs for all the PERFECTO advice and I feel very clear now which is THE PATTERN or at least one- need to be clear. HUGE pattern for me. Need clarity as in “not trusting myself.” So I will work on that pattern YET AGAIN and of course, for the rest of my life, and in front of the TV with Andrey friggin Lappa for the foreseeable friggin future.

    And shiva writers, come to the retreat, it really is going to be awesome!

  4. Lisa

    It’s crazy how this question is almost exactly the one I’ve been trying to figure out how to ask you for about a week and didn’t quite know how to phrase (hmm . . . could my pattern be perfectionism? Nah, not a chance.). The only difference really between this question and the one I was trying to ask is that Jennifer has been doing this for longer than me and so is farther on in the levels. But I am to that place where I can keep up with Andrey on the H and V slow, as well as the transitions and transquarters, but then I move on to H fast and WHOA! I can’t keep up at all.

    Andrey says before the fast H arms that it is just a demo and I’m not supposed to keep up. So I was wondering what I should be doing next if not speeding it up. Now I have some great ideas for half steps–no sound, trying to call out the numbers, etc.

    And, just for the record, I keep trying to do the arms fast and I can do just a tiny bit more each time before I get completely and utterly lost.

    Thanks for the perfect timing Havi and Jennifer!


  5. Oh Lisa, let me clarify that on the fast H arms I flail more than I flow and on the fast V arms? It’s amazing I don’t give myself a friggin bloody nose. My two little dogs flee the room.

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  6. Oh, this is very helpful! I am just where Jennifer is in terms of being between levels, definitely not mastering anything but nonetheless feeling a little bored.

    I will try calling out the numbers, I bet that would be good.

    I’ve tried a couple of things that seemed helpful:

    * I do the fast H & V arms, but I slow the DVD down. On my player, anyway, it’s faster than the regular slow version. At this point that’s become relatively easy for me, but for awhile it was just right. (My attempt at the regular full-on fast is pretty dorky, but hey, at least it’s over with quickly. I will do some more of that.) Where I am now, this is a nice warm-up.

    * I skipped ahead to start Level 2 and I’ll do that for a five-minute injection of hard stuff, then I go back to Level 1. The spiral movements of each arm are getting more automatic for me, though, so it’s not as brain-frying as I would like. Not that I can do it, but each arm is “learning” what tends to come next so it’s smoothing out. I will try the 2nd level transqarters as the fiendish Havi suggests.

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  7. Discovered a good one today–doing L1H arms on the ellipse machine. (Don’t even think about it if you don’t have perfect balance on the machine, which I do, having logged one skillion miles on the damned thing.) I also reverse the direction my legs go every two minutes, which added a good twist.

    Can’t do the vertical arms, unfortunately, as the control panel thingy is in the way.

    Sonia Simones last blog post..How to Survive the End of the World


  8. [...] not alone. I’m pretty obsessed with learning more about how it works. I was reading an old blog post about finding the challenge (remember, the challenge is key) and I read this bit that triggered a [...]

  9. anika001

    First I’m doing the level 1 horizontal arms, although with a twist! Completely unedited, as a result you get to watch me fight back and even skip when I get interrupted.
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